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Re: Meet Mac my New to me Mercedes Wagon

Postby YASHA7FOLD on Aug Wed 12, 2015 7:11 pm

Ferdinand Porsche invented the Volkswagen brand not Karl Benz or Gottlieb Daimler. So I'm confused........
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Re: Meet Mac my New to me Mercedes Wagon

Postby SweaterVest on Aug Thu 13, 2015 1:21 am

Wasn't it hitter?
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Re: Meet Mac my New to me Mercedes Wagon

Postby bigmontana on Aug Thu 13, 2015 9:22 am

He was at Daimler first. in 1906, he became technical manager of the Austro-Daimler company. In 1923, he moved to the Stuttgart-based Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft company, becoming a technical manager and executive board member. There, his career highlights included overseeing the construction of the Mercedes compressor car. For his accomplishments, Porsche received an honorary doctorate degree by the Imperial Technical University in 1917. In 1937, he was awarded the German National Prize for Art and Science. Owing to his important role in preparing the merger of Daimler and Benz he was appointed to the Board of Management of the Daimler-Benz combine in 1924. After the merger which led to the formation of Daimler-Benz AG, he also was given a seat on the Board of Management there in 1926, and retained it until leaving the company in 1928. In 1931, he set up Dr.-Ing. h. c. Ferdinand Porsche GmbH - Konstruktion und Beratung (design and consulting), and one year later Hochleistungs-Fahrzeug-Bau GmbH (highperformance vehicles), which was concerned with the design of Auto Union racing cars. In 1934, he was commissioned to design the Volkswagen. Thanks to his good connections to Daimler-Benz AG, the first Volkswagen cars, later dubbed “Beetles”, were built there. Porsche and his family moved to Stuttgart, Germany in the spring of 1923, where he took a job with Daimler Motor Works (no connection with Austro-Daimler) as its technical director. He was responsible for designing the famed Mercedes-Benz roadsters, the SS and SSK, both supercharged racing cars with very loud engines. In 1926, the company merged with another German automaker to become Daimler-Benz. Once more, Porsche encountered difficulties in convincing company executives of the feasibility of a small, mass-produced car.

Once again, Porsche decided to resign. He returned to Austria in early 1929, where he took a post with another automaker, Steyr-a comeback greatly heralded in the Vienna papers. During his brief stint at Steyr, Porsche developed an eight-cylinder engine for a model called the "Austria," which featured an innovative rear suspension that yielded superlative handling. He would later copy this design for use in the forerunner to the Volkswagen Beetle. Porsche left Steyr when a merger made it part of Austro-Daimler, and returned to Stuttgart. There, in December 1930, he founded his own firm with his friend Karl Rabe, another engineer. His son Ferry, who had inherited his father's passion for car design, was also on staff.

The Porsche company's first design contract came for a large touring car for Wanderer, a German automaker in Chemnitz. They also did engine and suspension work for various European automakers. In 1932, Porsche visited the Soviet Union at the request of Josef Stalin, who offered him a post as chief construction director, complete with generous compensation, a villa, and the transfer of his entire Stuttgart staff. He was also promised unlimited development funds to build a small car. Porsche, who still loved to race his own cars on the track, declined the offer since the European Grand Prix circuit did not extend to Communist Russia.
Dr. Porsche had always had a dream to build a "peoples car" and the people behind Daimler had different ideas of what cars they wanted to build. They wanted the big flagship luxurious models built and Porsche did not want to continue building these. This is why Porsche left Daimler and founded his company in 1930. He was tired of working for someone else. Back in Stuttgart in the early 1930s, one of the projects that Porsche took on was a prototype for a sports car with a rear-mounted engine. A consortium of German automakers, including Audi and Wanderer, had formed the Auto-Union Company to build such a car to compete with Mercedes vehicles on the racetrack. Through this involvement, Porsche first met the new German chancellor, Adolf Hitler, at an Auto-Union meeting in March 1933.

A second connection to the Fuhrer came through a Daimler-Benz associate named Jakob Werlin. Hitler bought his first car from Werlin in 1923, when Nazi Party offices in Munich shared building space with a Mercedes dealership. In turn, Werlin later came to know Porsche when both were at Daimler-Benz. Despite his personal preference for the luxury sedan, Hitler was hoping that Germany could create a Volkswagen, or "People's Car," that fit in with his political and economic agenda. The fascist National Socialist Party had strong-armed its way to power in the early 1930s, and offered desperate Germans a plan to salvage their economy and national identity by various measures, including stripping German Jews of their citizenship and resurrecting an armaments sector banned by the 1919 treaty that concluded World War I. In the fall of 1933, Werlin invited Porsche to a meeting at Berlin's Hotel Kaiserhof, at which Hitler was also present. They discussed the creation of an affordable and reliable German car that might sell for under a thousand marks.
Porsche left Daimler in 1931 to form his own firm, which he named "Dr. Ing. h. c. F. Porsche GmbH, Konstruktionen und Beratung für Motoren und Fahrzeuge," according to Commercial Register documents from April 1931. In 1934, Porsche became deeply involved in Adolf Hitler's "people's car" project. That year, while working on the project with son Ferdinand Anton Ernst Porsche (born in 1909)—also known as Ferry—he developed the first designs for the Volkswagen car. From that point on, father and son worked together.

During World War II, Porsche and his son were tapped by Hitler to produce a heavy tank for the Tiger Program. Porsche submitted a prototype with an advanced drive system that was superior on paper but not on the battlefield. Prone to breakdowns and crucial design flaws, a competing company (Henschel & Sohn) got the contract to produce the Panzer tanks. Ninety to one hundred Porsche Tiger chassis were produced and later some converted into tank destroyers (Panzerjäger) called Ferdinand. Mounted with a Krupps turret and 88 mm anti-tank gun, the long-range weapon could take out enemy tanks before they reached their own range of effective fire.

When the war ended in 1945, Porsche was arrested by French soldiers and forced to serve a 22-month prison sentence. While he was incarcerated, Ferdinand Anton oversaw the creation of a new racing car, the Cisitalia, a Porsche-company product. To his son, upon his return, Porsche reportedly said, "I would have built it exactly the same, right down to the last screw." The father-son team went on to make history in 1950, when they introduced the Porsche sports car.
That's just a brief synopsis of the history of the car we love. We have Daimler Benz to thank for everything we have as far as the car goes. And Ferdinand was a big part of that. Karl Benz invented the first car. The first stationary gasoline engine developed by Carl Benz was a one-cylinder two-stroke unit which ran for the first time on New Year’s Eve 1879. Benz had so much commercial success with this engine that he was able to devote more time to his dream of creating a lightweight car powered by a gasoline engine, in which the chassis and engine formed a single unit. The major features of the two-seater vehicle, which was completed in 1885, were the compact high-speed single-cylinder four-stroke engine installed horizontally at the rear, the tubular steel frame, the differential and three wire-spoked wheels. The engine output was 0.75 hp (0.55 kW). Details included an automatic intake slide, a controlled exhaust valve, high-voltage electrical vibrator ignition with spark plug, and water/thermo siphon evaporation cooling.

On January 29, 1886, Benz applied for a patent for his “vehicle powered by a gas engine.” The patent – number 37435 – may be regarded as the birth certificate of the automobile. In July 1886 the newspapers reported on the first public outing of the three-wheeled Benz Patent Motor Car, model no. 1.
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Re: Meet Mac my New to me Mercedes Wagon

Postby bigmontana on Aug Thu 13, 2015 9:27 am

Thank you Mike for the info. I found it now am trying to get my images uploaded. My tapatalk isn't working. I agree I think allowing all aspect of German vehicles on here is important. Even if I'm the only guy who doesn't just have VW's. I am trying to get a Porsche too. I wish I could have bought an NSF when I had the chance. A friend of mine had one he was selling. Right now I'm Mercedes. If VW would sell the right kind of car in the states I'd get one again. But honestly they can't compare to the Mercedes. I'm looking for a newer one now.
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Re: Meet Mac my New to me Mercedes Wagon

Postby YASHA7FOLD on Aug Sun 16, 2015 8:58 pm

Why don't you keep the one you have, not spend even more on payments and insurance, and invest in your Beetle
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Re: Meet Mac my New to me Mercedes Wagon

Postby 201motels on Aug Mon 17, 2015 9:25 am

bigmontana wrote: Even if I'm the only guy who doesn't just have VW's.

Um, you're not. ;)
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Re: Meet Mac my New to me Mercedes Wagon

Postby bigmontana on Aug Mon 17, 2015 10:17 am

YASHA7FOLD wrote:Why don't you keep the one you have, not spend even more on payments and insurance, and invest in your Beetle

That is a good point Wade, but due to new things happening I need something with all wheel drive an fewer miles. My payments won't go up and my insurance will actually go down. I want something with zero rust and decent paint. Unlike the last one I have given myself enough time to find the right one. I'd keep my wagon too if I could.
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Re: Meet Mac my New to me Mercedes Wagon

Postby YASHA7FOLD on Aug Wed 19, 2015 9:54 pm

Cool. I hope you get it sold man.
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Re: Meet Mac my New to me Mercedes Wagon

Postby bigmontana on Aug Mon 31, 2015 6:18 am

Thanks Wade, I hope I can to.

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Re: Meet Mac my New to me Mercedes Wagon

Postby bigmontana on Oct Mon 05, 2015 8:10 pm

Still trying to sell it I tried to post it in classifieds and post pictures but tapatalk on my phone won't let me. Needs it gone. Getting new car.

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